(This transcript is not true verbatim, I have removed repetitive sentences, and I have reconstructed certain sentences that end abruptly where the speaker rephrases himself before finishing the previous sentence, this is common in speech but not in text. Other edits is continuing the speech although the speaker has been interrupted; until the speech becomes too incoherent. – Ahmad Wehbe).

Video Intro:

• The Great Debate – Rashad Khalifa – 90 minutes – 7/6/88
• Tuscon Community Cable Corporation – Bars Tone Countdown (from 10)
• The Great Debate
• Dr. Abdel Rahman Salem vs Dr. Rashad Khalifa
• The True Islam

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Our guest is doctor Rashad Khalifa, who – he devoted most of his life for his own mission; reading, learning, writing, researching and also preaching. But he is most remembered by his last computer research; the divine mathematical code in the Quran, based on number nineteen (19). According to the Quran; sura number seventy-four; verse number thirty (74:30): “‘alaihaa tis’ata ‘ashar” – but why nineteen (19)? that is what doctor Rashad Khalifa will explain in this interview. Please, brothers and sisters in Islam, welcome with me; doctor Rashad Khalifa.
• Doctor Khalifa, I know I did not introduce you well enough, and I think that the best way to introduce you is to introduce yourself with your own words.

Rashad Khalifa:

• You did a good job, this is what really. Counts I did a research in the Quran, and I was blessed by “allah subhana wa ta’ala” (by God; the Most Glorified, the Most High) to see the mathematical code in the Quran – and this is really sufficient for an introduction.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Well, I think… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• You did a good job, so we will keep it like… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Thank you, but I think also we are entitled to know how much benefit – this – this – it is great – it is an honor actually to have it – but we would like to know; how this mathematical code goes and how far it is benefit; and beneficial to the Muslim in his own living life. I mean the Quran is filled with miracles, and there are a lot of ways to approve that the Quran is a miracle. If you read it in Arabic you will see a lot of verses obliges to itself that the Quran is a miracle and it is the word – really the word of God. But… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Well, this is the first physical evidence. The Quran is full of miracles, but all of them are disputable; the linguistic excellence, the scientific miracles, and all these things. The Quran is full of miracles, but the mathematical miracle it is indisputable; it is physical based on physical facts. Like “bism allah arrahman arraheem” being nineteen (19) letters, the number of suras being hundred and fourteen (114) – all these are physical facts. Like the sun rising from the east; it is indisputable – unlike the previous miracles. And this is in accordance with God’s will; in sura of forty-one; verse fifty-three (41:53), where God says: “sanureehim aayaatinaa fil aafaaqi”. This is in the future tense; “sanureehim”; “we will show them our miracles in the horizons, and within themselves, until they realize that this is the truth”. So the miracles in the Quran are increasingly powerful. And then we get to this mathematical miracle, which is described by God Himself as one of the greatest miracles. The sura you mentioned; seventy-four; “‘alaihaa tis’ata ‘ashar”; verse thirty – and then the verses go on and on saying: this is one of the greatest miracles – it says:
• “kallaa walqamar”. ((كَلّا وَالقَمَرِ); “Absolutely, (I swear) by the moon.” (74:32)).
• “wallaili id adbar”. ((وَالَّيلِ إِذ أَدبَرَ ); “And the night as it passes.” (74:33)).
• “wassub hi izaaa asfar”. ((وَالصُّبحِ إِذا أَسفَرَ);“And the morning as it shines.” (74:34)).
• “nnahaa la ihdal kubar”. ((إِنَّها لَإِحدَى الكُبَرِ );“This is one of the great miracles.” (74:35)).
• It is one of the greatest miracles, and this is God’s own description of it.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• You mean here the miracles – it is the computer age, right? that is what “allah subhana wa ta’ala” – I noticed… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Well, the computer age… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I noticed – excuse me for this – I noticed you used God, you didn not use allah. Which the Quran always say is “allah”, because the Quran came in Arabic, it did not come in English or in Persian, it come; “qur’anan arabian”.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Actually I did say “allah subhana wa ta’ala”, at least one time… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I noticed you said God (incoherent speech)… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Well, it depends on what language you speak. If you speak English; you have to say God. If you speak Arabic; you have to allah. So… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• But before, yes – okay.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Because as you know you are from Egypt, and you know the Egyptian copts use the word allah (Arabic word for God), saying insha’allah (God willing) and masha’allah (thank God), some of them are named ‘abd’allah (Abdullah).

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• So, allah is the Arabic word, and has nothing to do….(interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• You are using God – it is already – okay? (Asking if it is okay to say the word “God” instead of “allah”).

Rashad Khalifa:

• Of course it is… (interrupted).

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• So it is okay to use… (interrupted).

Rashad Khalifa:

• It depends on what language you use. If you meet somebody in the street and say “allah” here in the United States, some people think allah is a man who is named allah, or allah is a rock somewhere, and this is an actual happening; my son was in a classroom where they told that allah was a rock; my son had to object.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• But this we have nothing to do with this because you know there are… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• What I mean is, it depends on what language you use, if you use English; you have to use God. If you use French; you have to use Deus. If you use Farsi; you have to use Chudaa. If you use Arabic; you have to use allah… (interrupted).

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay. Let us go back again also to the computer, I would like to know how far is it; beneficial to the human being – I am a Muslim and you discovered that the computer is – you discovered that the Quran – you discovered… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• You are asking about the role of the mathematical code?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes. To a Muslim. To the Muslim. (repeats two more times while interrupting Rashad Khalifa).

Rashad Khalifa:

• And it applies to the Muslims and the non-Muslims. This is mentioned in the Quran immediately after the number nineteen (74:31), it says – it gives you five reasons for the number nineteen: “wa maa ja’alnaa ‘iddatahum”; that we made their number, for the following reasons:
• #1: “fitnatal lillazeena kafaroo”; to disturb the disbelievers. “fitnatal lillazeena kafaroo”; to prove their disbelief.
• #2: “liyastaiqinal lazeena ootul kitaaba”; is to make the believers among the Christians and the Jews certain that this book, the Quran, is from God. “liyastaiqinal lazeena ootul kitaaba”
• #3: “wa yazdaadal lazeena aamanooo eemaanan”; so the people who believe that the Quran is from God; before the number nineteen, without the number nineteen – when they see the mathematical code they will increase in faith. “wa yazdaadal lazeena aamanooo eemaanan”
• #4: “wa laa yartaabal lazeena ootul kitaaba walmu’minoona”; if any of the Muslims, or the Christians, or the Jews – have any doubt in their heart that this Quran is from God; the mathematical code will help remove all this doubt.
• #5: “wa liyaqoolal lazeena fee quloobihim maradunw walkaafiroona maazaaa araadal laahu bihaazaa masalaa”; and to expose the hypocrites and the disbelievers, they will say: “so what? this is not important”.
• So these are the five reasons that God Himself gives; as the role of the number nineteen – or the mathematical code in the Quran.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Make the Muslim strongly believe that the Quran is from God.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Increase in faith. Yes. Exactly.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• But there is suras, there are ayas in the Quran in Arabic that approve to the Muslim and non-Muslim, that the Quran is a miracle, it is the word of God. For example, like: “yukawwirul laila ‘alan nahaari” – allah subhana wa ta’ala, He said, He make – “He covers the globe with the night and”… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• He rolls the day around the night, and the night around the day – indicating that he Earth is round.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Ah, how, how the messenger of God, approved of this. How the messenger of God knows that. In the centuries later, there is such (incoherent speech) to approve this. So if we read the Quran we will find a lot… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Let us say that this verse will cause someone to believe in the Quran; “yukawwirul laila ‘alan nahaari wa yukawwirun nahaara ‘alaal laili” (39:5). This person when he or she looks at the mathematical code, God says in the Quran – not I am saying, God says – that his belief will increase; his faith will increase, “wa yazdaadal lazeena aamanooo eemaanan” (74:31), so this is an additional confirmation or assurance to increase in faith.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Alright. There is also another thing, you believe, you know, when you talk now you do not believe in Hadith or Sunnah. Do you believe in Hadith or Sunnah?

Rashad Khalifa:

• I believe that the Quran is complete, perfect and fully detailed, because God says so in the Quran.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• And we do not have to use Hadith or Sunnah at all?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Does not matter; and or any other source.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I noticed in the prayer here, you never mentioned the messenger of God, you ignored him completely. Do you have anything against him? because you ignored – you said (incoherent speech)… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Is it true that I (incoherent speech)… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• You say allah, then when you prayed it, you prayed it, you read fateha, but you did not read Quran. You know? something, it is actually – I hope you will correct me if am mistaken or something – new to me, new to any Muslim, because we know that when we say, we say; “allah, ash-hadu alla la elaha ella allah wa alla muḥammadun rasūlu allah”. This is about Islam, you cannot separate it, you cannot say; “allah, ash-hadu alla la elaha ella allah” – I bear witness that there is no god but one God and behold that the messenger Muhammad is the messenger of God. If you hold it, you mean you shall not (incoherent speech)… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Is that right?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Well that is what I believe, I hope we will… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Okay, well let us look in the Quran again, if you look in the Quran; the Quran gives us the correct shahada (the testimony of faith).

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Okay. And this is in sura number three; verse eighteen (3:18), it says: “shahadu allahu annahu la elaha ella hu walmalaaa’ikatu wa ulul ‘ilmi qaaa’imam bilqist” (God bears witness that there is no god except He, and so do the angels and those who possess knowledge). So the shahada according to allah, the angels, and those who know; “wa ulul ‘ilmi” – is: “la elaha ella allah”, there is no muḥammadun rasūlu allah there. This is one… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• When, when you… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• “shahadu allahu annahu la elaha ella hu walmalaaa’ikatu wa ulul ‘ilmi”, so this is the correct shahada as dictated in the Quran. When you say: “la elaha ella allah wa muḥammadun rasūlu allah”, you violate the most basic commandment in the Quran. The first one is the principle of tawheed (توحيد), you are not commemorating God alone, you are putting a name besides God; another name beside God. You are making distinction among the messengers of God, this is an important commandment that you see in sura two; verse two eighty-five (2:285) for example – it is mentioned four times in the Quran; that you do not make – you shall not many any distinction among the messengers of God. And it is done so powerfully that any Muslim who makes distinction is not a Muslim at all, because the Quran says: “laa nufarriqu baina ahadim-mir-rusulihee wa qaaloo sami’naa wa ata’naa”, and these are the mu’mins – “aamanar-rasoolu bimaaa unzila ilaihi mir-rabbihee walmu’minoon kullun aamana billaahi wa malaaa’ikathihee wa kutubhihee wa rusulih laa nufarriqu baina ahadim-mir-rusulihee wa qaaloo sami’naa wa ata’naa”.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Well, that, that is – the Muslim he does not – insurance you have to say: “la elaha ella Allah wa muḥammadun rasūlu allah”, that he believes “la elaha ella allah” and he believe all the messengers of allah subhana wa ta’ala, are equal, no distinction between… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• When was the last time you said: “la elaha ella allah yūnus rasūlu allah”? ((يونس); “there is no god but God and Jonah is His messenger”).

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Well you actually do not say yūnus – when you say… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Answer my question. When was the last time you said: “la elaha ella allah yūnus rasūlu allah”? (There is no god but God and Jonah is His messenger).

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I hope you will understand me, I am not debating you, I am not arguing with you. I am… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• No no, I am trying to demonstrate the points of the distinction among the prophets.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay.

Rashad Khalifa:

• When was the last time you said: “la elaha ella allah yūnus rasūlu allah”? (There is no god but God and Jonah is His messenger).

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay. When I say: “la elaha ella allah muḥammadun”…. (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• No, wait wait, first answer… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I will answer your question, but not the way you want, I answer it the way I want (incoherent speech)… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• No no, just answer yes or no. It is yes or no. When was the last time you said: “la elaha ella allah yūnus rasūlu allah”? (There is no god but God and Jonah is His messenger).

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• When I say: “la elaha ella allah muḥammadun rasūlu allah”, it is admitting that I admit all the messenger up to Muhammad, I believe in them.

Rashad Khalifa:

• You did not say that. It does not say that.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• But that is what I admit.

Rashad Khalifa:

• But it does not say…

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I believe in all the messenger including the last messenger of allah subhana wa ta’ala. (God; the Most Glorified, the Most High).

Rashad Khalifa:

• Muhammad is not the last messenger.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Well, this is another… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Wait, where do you get that? Where do you get that Muhammad was the last messenger?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Let us continue.

Rashad Khalifa:

• No, let me ask another question. Is Muhammad dead or alive?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• This is ‘alem ‘ndallah – he did, as far as I know, as a human being; he died.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Muhammad is dead?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• As far as I know. Am I coming to be questioned, or question?

Rashad Khalifa:

• What do you mean? No, we are dealing with your question: “la elaha ella allah wa muḥammadun rasūlu allah”, we are looking at this statement from the logical point of view. Forget anything else.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• God gave us a mind that He wants us to use. So you are saying: “la elaha ella allah muḥammadun rasūlu allah”, which means what in English?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I bear witness that there is no god but one God, and Muhammad is the messenger of God.

Rashad Khalifa:

• “Muhammad is the messenger of God”. So my question is: is Muhammad dead or alive?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• What do you think?

Rashad Khalifa:

• What I think? the Quran says Muhammad is dead. “innaka maiyitunw wa inna hum maiyitunw”. ((إِنَّكَ مَيِّتٌ وَإِنَّهُم مَيِّتونَ); “You (Muhammad) will surely die, just like they will die”).

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• We know that Muhammad is dead unless he is one thousand four hundred and some years old (~1400 years).

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Sitting somewhere.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay.

Rashad Khalifa:

• But he is in a grave now, he is dead, right?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Now, do you think a dead man can be a messenger of God?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• No longer after he died (incoherent speech)… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Exactly. So why do you say Muhammad is the messenger of God? He cannot be a messenger of God because he is dead, is this true?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I will go for it for the time being – okay – let us go (incoherent speech)… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Well, can a dead man be a messenger of God?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• He was a messenger of God. (incoherent speech), he completed his… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Exactly, now therefore the correct statement would be: “muḥammad kaana rasūlu allah” (Muhammad was the messenger of God).
• Therefore the statement: “la elaha ella allah muḥammadun rasūlu allah”, (…Muhammad is the messenger of God) is wrong.
• Even from the purely logical point of view.
• However, like I said the shahada is in the Quran – unfortunately the Muslims do not follow the Quran – and it isays: “shahadu allahu annahu la elaha ella hu walmalaaa’ikatu wa ulul ‘ilmi”. (God bears witness that there is no god except He, and so do the angels and those who possess knowledge).
• Therefore anyone who says anything but “la elaha ella allah”; is not among “ulul ‘ilm”; he does not know; he is ignorant. It is due to ignorance.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• *stares silently at Rashad Khalifa*

Rashad Khalifa:

• This is why in the khuthba (sermon) you saw me say: “la elaha ella allah”, this is it, that is all we say.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Also, you said you believe in the Quran, nothing but the Quran, and we do not have to believe anything from Hadith – why!? we do not have to pay attention to Hadith, why!?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Because God says in the Quran that the Quran is complete; perfect, and fully detailed. And the question is: do you believe God or not? if you believe God; you will believe the Quran is complete; perfect, and fully detailed.
• Listen to this – this is verse one fourteen; sura six (6:114): “afaghairal laahi abtaghee hakamanw wa Huwal lazee anzala ilaikumul Kitaaba mufassalaa”; shall I seek out other than God as a source of law when he sent down to you this book fully detailed? – “mufassalaa”; fully detailed.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Therefore if you go to anything else you will be a rejector of the Quran. You have rejected – you have disbelieved God. So this is the reason why, it does not matter how great the hadith is.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• You know the Muslims usually – when they use Hadith, it does not mean that they are overlapping the Quran, no, the Quran is the divine constitution of God to mankind.
• And who apply, who perform that constitution to mankind better than Muhammad the messenger of God, the one who redeemed it, the one who received it, and delivered it to mankind. People always like to follow the one who received it, and to see how he perform it, how he – he show it to the people, and then they follow his way of performing the constitution of God.
• It means like when I follow the Hadith does not mean I am away from the Quran. As far as I know – I hope you will correct me if I am wrong. I am saying my statement and I am sure you will have a comment on that. That is as far as I know about the Muslim how they use Hadith. What do you think?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Well first of all if the Quran is fully detailed – not if the Quran – I mean I know that the Quran is fully detailed. God says the Quran is fully detailed. Therefore you do not need anything else.
• We know that the Hadith are – we know now from many many years of research that the Hadith are fabrications attributed to the prophet. Now the Satan; the shaytaan knows that we love the prophet very much, and he used that as a bait, to catch – when you catch fish you put bait on a hook… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I think, I think – if you excuse me for interrupting you Dr. Khalifa – the Muslim they are aware of a lot of Hadith being injected to hadith, not like your Quran… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• No, I am talking about the Sahih Bukhari for example. Sahih Bukhari is full contradictions, blasphemies against the prophet, I can show you literally hundreds of Hadiths that are considered attacks on the prophet, they distract from the greatness of the prophet Muhammad.
• So, but the important point Abdel Rahman is that God says the Quran is complete; perfect, fully detailed, this is the important point. So if you give me a Hadith that is fantastic and great and has all the qualities of the best things in the world, I still cannot go to it because God tells me the Quran is complete; perfect, and fully detailed.
• The fact is the Hadith is actually a blasphemous attack against the prophet, and I gave you an issue of the Muslim Perspective in Arabic proving that – I am talking about Shahih Bukhari – they are a transgression against the prophet.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• So you are ignoring completely the great teacher of Islam which Muhammad peace be upon him, he was a great teacher, was (incoherent speech). He is the one who receive the message of Allah, and he took it to the people, so I consider he is my leader.

Rashad Khalifa:

• You are missing the point.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Let me know it.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yeah, you are missing the point.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay.

Rashad Khalifa:

• The Hadith was never uttered by the prophet; has nothing to do with the prophet because – did the Quran come out of the prophets mouth?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• How did it come out?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Did the Quran come out of the prophet’s mouth?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I will ask you, but you will not ask me, how did it come out?

Rashad Khalifa:

• It does not matter how.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay, you tell me how it come out.

Rashad Khalifa:

• The Quran says that Gabriel brought it, released it… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• How he revealed it to Muhammad?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yes, through Gabriel. God revealed Quran… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• To Muhammad?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yes, to Muhammad.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• How?

Rashad Khalifa:

• It came out of his mouth.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Whose mouth?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Muhammad’s mouth.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Muhammad’s mouth.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Right. Therefore if you want to follow Muhammad; you follow Quran, because it came out of Muhammad’s mouth.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• So, I do not know what the people like that… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• If I am an Arabian illiterate, do not understand that highly quality Arabic language of the Quran, miracle of the Quran. And I would like to understand who will teach me and show me the right way more than the one who revealed from God; peace be upon him Muhammad “ʿalayhi ṣalat wa sallam”. (“Praise and peace upon him”).
• How? That is why Muhammad he brought the Hadith… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Are you saying Muhammad is the teacher of the Quran?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• He is interpreter of the Quran to the Muslims.

Rashad Khalifa:

• No, he was forbidden from interpreting the Quran.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• He was?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yes. In the Quran sura seventy-five; verse nineteen (75:19), it says: “summa inna ‘alainaa bayaanah” – it says:
• laa tuharrik bihee lisaa naka lita’jala bih; “muhammad do not move your tongue” – or in American-English; Do not open your mouth.
• inna ‘alainaa jam’ahoo wa qur aanah; “we are the ones who will reveal it and put in the Quran.”
• fa izaa qaraanaahu fattabi’ qur aanah; “once we have it in the Quran – you Muhammad – follow the Quran.”
• summa inna ‘alainaa bayaanah; God is saying that “I am the one who will explain it” (God is the one who will explain it).
• So the prophet was forbidden from explaining the Quran.
• In another sura, sura sixty-nine; something at verse thirty-eight (69:38), we see that if the prophet uttered anything else other than the Quran; he will go to hell (69:44, 45). It says – to go from the beginning… (Rashad Khalifa utters various verses in Arabic while trying to remember the correct ones) – okay, yeah:
• “falaaa uqsimu bimaa tubsiroon”. This is the strongest oath in the Quran:
• “falaaa uqsimu bimaa tubsiroon fa maa laa tubsiroon”; “I swear by the things you see and the things you do not see”, (69:38, 39). This is not swearing by the sun or the moon or the time, this is swearing by everything in the universe.
• “innahoo laqawlu rasoolin kareem”; “This Quran is the utterance of an honorable messenger”.
• “wa ma huwa biqawli shaa’ir; qaleelam maa tu’minoon”; “It is not the utterance of a poet”.
• “wa laa biqawli kaahin; qaleelam maa tazakkaroon”; “It is not the utterance of a soothsayer”, or some an Egyptian bakkash, somebody who is an bakkash (بكاش)(Someone who flatters people)… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• What is bakkash mean?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Soothsayer – ??zekkah?? (I could not find this word in any online Egyptian dictionary. Please send me a link to the definition of this word so that I can include it here).

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Zakkeh, okay.

Rashad Khalifa:

• “tanzeelum mir rabbil ‘aalameen”; “It came from the Lord of the universe”
• “wa law taqawwala ‘alainaa ba’dal aqaaweel”; “If he uttered anything else
• “la-akhaznaa minhu bilyameen”; (We would have punished him).
• “summa laqata’naa minhul wateen”; “We would have stopped the revelations to him).
• “famaa minkum min ahadin’anhu haajizeen”; “None of you can protect him”.
• And because of this interruption in the English langauge; I hope I did not mess up the verses.
• But this is the general idea.
• falaaa uqsimu bimaa tubsiroon
• fa maa laa tubsiroon
• innahoo laqawlu Rasoolin kareem
• wa ma huwa biqawli shaa’ir; qaleelam maa tu’minoon
• wa laa biqawli kaahin; qaleelam maa tazakkaroon
• tanzeelum mir rabbil ‘aalameen
• wa law taqawwala ‘alainaa ba’dal aqaaweel
• la-akhaznaa minhu bilyameen
• summa laqata’naa minhul wateen
• famaa minkum min ahadin’anhu haajizeen
• So this – the prophet Muhammad was forbidden from explaining the Quran, or uttering any additional religious teachings, and this is in the Quran.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• So you are actually trying to tell me that there is no way that we have to follow the Hadith of the messenger of God, or follow his way. We have the Quran, we have to stick to… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• You still miss the point. It is not the hadith of the messenger of God. It is the hadith attributed to the messenger of God.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Because the prophet Muhammad would never disobey God.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay.

Rashad Khalifa:

• And God told him; you have the Quran and nothing else. And this is in verse nineteen; sura six (6:19); it says:
• “qul ayyu shai’in akbaru shahaadatan”; “who is the better testimone?”. (Whose testimony is the greatest?).
• “qulil laahu shaheedum bainee wa bainakum”. (Say, God is the witness between me and you…)
• wa oohiya ilaiya haazal Qur’aanu li unzirakum bihee wa mam balagh; “I was given this Quran to deliver to you and the future generation.”

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I think… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Wait a minute.
• It did not say; “oohiya ilaiya haazal Qur’aanu wa al-hadith”. (It does not say; I was given this Quran and the Hadith to deliver to you and the future generations).

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• No, I think I agree with your point for one reason, because we – we will be as Muslims or else we will be judged by the Quran.
• But I disagree about one thing because – another thing because I have to follow the messenger of God, the one who received the Quran and who delivers it to me.
• As a Muslim, if I ignore it… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• You miss the point again. The Hadith came from shayytan; from Satan, not from Muhammad.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I have to be aware, which is right hadith and which is wrong hadith. But ignoring… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• No.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Ignoring the messenger of God; that is a question I would like to elaborate with you.

Rashad Khalifa:

• You mean  ignore the message of God? in favor of 

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• No, if I ignore the Hadith., if I ignore… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• This is the Hadith of Satan. If I brought to you a hadith from Satan, would you still follow it?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• No. It is… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• So if I come to you – just because the shayytan came to you and said: “qala rasoolilah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam” – do you believe it? (The messenger of God said – God’s praise and peace be upon him – …muslims use this term almost every time they mention Muhammad, many Muslims on the Internet shorten this term as; S. A. W. or saw).

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• If it is… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Can you agree if I say; if Satan walks from this door, wearing a serpent (wearing a serpent mask)… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• No, it should be, it is… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Wait. And he says: “qala rasoolilah sallallahu alayhi wasallam”, are you going to follow it?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• It has been venerated by most scholar religion in Islam, which are – we know that they are being following the messenger of God, and they know what he saw, and they are witnessed, and we are taking them, holding them, they are witnessed Muhammad, because… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• They never witnessed Muhammad.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Well, that is… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• The first hadith was recorded two hundred (200) years after Muhammad. Across eight (8) generations of the dead.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• So from the period when Muhammad died to two hundred fifty (250) years there was no hadith at all?

Rashad Khalifa:

• There was no Hadith. That is right.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I see.
• You believe in the Quran… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• There was no recorded Hadith. People were making up hadith and trying – for example you come to my house and I only have fish to feed you, if you object, then I will tell you; “well, the prophet said if you eat fish alone you are going to be great”, so people made this kind of hadith.
• And it was not recorded or anything. So Bukhari came two hundred years later and claimed that the prophet said these things. And as you know Bukhari eliminated ninety percent (90%) of the things that he wrote himself, and still whatever is left the thousands of hadith are attacking and blaspheming against the prophet.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay. Let us move to another point, because if we want to continue talking about this point we will never finish… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Well, this point should be finished because God says the Quran is complete; perfect and fully detailed.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Ooookay.

Rashad Khalifa:

• And the Quran says that telling Muhammad to tell us that he brings only the Quran. The last verse in sura fifty (50:45) says: “fazakkir bil quraani many yakhaafu wa’eed”; “deliver the message of the Quran”, it did not say Quran and Sunnah, or Quran and Hadith – “fazakkir bil quraani many yakhaafu wa’eed”

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• But there are a lot of suras also remind the Muslim to follow allah and the messenger of God. For example I probably I have some:
• “yaaa aiyuhal lazeena aamanooo aaminoo billaahi wa rasoolihee wal kitaabil lazee nazzala ‘alaa rasoolihee wal kitaabil lazeee anzala min qabl”. (o you who believe, you shall believe in God and His messenger, and the scripture He has revealed through His messenger, and the scripture He has revealed before that)(4:136).
• … (incoherent speech) (Abdel Rahman tries to find the next verse)…
• “innal laaha wa malaaa’i katahoo yusalloona ‘alan nabiyy”. (God and His angels help and support the prophet)(33:56).

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yes.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• You know, allah subhana wa ta’ala also confirm it to the people to pray to Muhammad because allah subhana wa ta’ala praying to (Muhammad) – as far as I know, I hope you will understand me and you will correct me if I am wrong.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Let me… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• “wa mai yuti’il laaha wa rasoolahoo wa yakhshal laaha…”. (Those who obey God and His messenger, and reverence God…)(24:52)
• “qul atee’ul laaha wa atee’ur rasoola…”. (Say, “Obey God, and obey the messenger.”)(24:54)
• “wa aqeemus salaata wa aatuz zakaata wa atee’ur rasoola…”. (You shall observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), and obey the messenger)(24:56)… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• So why do you disobey him then? Why are you disobeying him when he tells you to uphold that the Quran is complete; fully detailed, and that you shall uphold the Quran alone? Why do you disobey him and go to something else?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I see.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Do you see in the Quran it is telling you: “atee’ul laaha wa atee’ur rasoola”, so why don’t you listen and obey the – allah and the rasool? (obey God and the messenger).

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay. By obeying the messenger of God, and obeying because I know that the messenger of God he is been taught by allah subhana wa ta’ala, he was orphaned and was taught by allah subhana wa ta’ala, and he is – he was perfect, he is a… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Okay, is this the reason for you to disobey him?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• No, to obey him.

Rashad Khalifa:

• You are not obeying him when you go to another source.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Obeying him in the Quran and his way of life.

Rashad Khalifa:

• But if you follow anything other than the Quran, then you are disobeying the prophet.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I see. Okay.

Rashad Khalifa:

• So, therefore if you are reciting these verses then you have to do them yourself, “atee’ul laaha wa atee’ur rasoola”, (obey God and the messenger).

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• If you obey the rasool (messenger), you will uphold the Quran, the whole Quran, and nothing but the Quran. If you go to anything other than the Quran, then you are not obeying the messenger.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• So you believe in the Quran from the cover to the cover?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yes. Right.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• You believe in this Quran, and our – speaking to each other now we will speak according to the Quran.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yes, absolutely.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay.
• You say – you said in one of your brochures here, if you allow me to read it to you or just – you said: “Providing indisputable evidence for the exposure and removal of two human made sentences that were injected into the Quran at the end of the last sura revealed in Medina; sura number nine”.
• In other words you say here that the human being injected some suras into the Quran… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• ayat; verses.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Some verses into the Quran. So this Quran, the one in my hand here, in Arabic, the one in my hand in Arabic, it is not completely perfect? it has been injected by ??bad men?? (incoherent speech). You believe in that?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Right.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay. And also… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• This Quran is not correct.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• This is not correct?

Rashad Khalifa:

• But we know the correct Quran. I can show you a Quran that is correct and complete.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• You will show me in a minute, but let me continue this. allah subhana wa ta’ala says: “innaa nahnu nazalnaz zikra wa innaa lahoo lahaa fizoon”. (Absolutely, we have revealed the reminder, and, absolutely, we will preserve it.)(15:9)
• allah subhana wa ta’ala took an oath, from him to God; the Quran, because mankind could not guard the Torah or the Bible. So allah took an oath from him to guard the Quran.
• In your translation you said: we have sended down – for this verse – we have sended down the revelation and we will surely preserve it.
• In Yusuf Ali translation, which most of the Muslim people, they are taking by Yusuf Ali, the Quran: “We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption)”. (15:9 Yusuf Ali translation)

Rashad Khalifa:

• That is right. I agree with that.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• You agree with all that?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yes.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay. Well, I would like you to elaborate this point doctor Rashad Khalifa.

Rashad Khalifa:

• allah subhana wa ta’ala carried out His promise and He preserved the Quran perfectly. I can show you a Quran that is perfect, in the way it was sent down; the way it was written… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I would like to see it.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Right.
• The way every letter of it is preserved, not a single letter is added, and not a single letter is lost.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• However, if go to Egypt or Iran today, you are going to see that the Quran is printed with some mistakes in them, but this does not negate the fact… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Let us be clear now… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Wait. It does not negate the fact… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Let us be clear before you go.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yes.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• This Quran. It has been through the whole world, through Tehran, through Persia, through Arabic world, this Arabic Quran; it is not real Quran?

Rashad Khalifa:

• There are some mistakes in it.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• It has mistakes in it?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Right.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• And you have the one… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• The point is that God did preserve the perfect Quran and we have it.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• You  have it?

Rashad Khalifa:

• It is all over the world.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• With whom? With you? Who has… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• No., it is even here also as long as you mark the mistakes, there are a few mistakes.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• allah subhana wa ta’ala says: “innaa nahnu nazalnaz zikra wa innaa lahoo lahaa fizoon”, it means… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• So how do you explain… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• “We will never allow anyone to inject even a single thing”… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• So how do you explain the fact that in Iran, today – printing millions of Qurans that do not follow the Quranic writing. Like for example the word “salah” is written SAAD (ص), LAAM (ل), ALEF (أ), HEE (ه) – instead of SAAD (ص), LAAM (ل), WAW (و), HEE (ه) as in the original Quran – how do you explain that? do you mean God failed to carry out His promise? is this what you think?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• No, I am not thinking of – I think I would like to… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Okay. I am saying that it does not matter what people do to the Quran, they can take and mess it up and do anything they want, this is what they want to do. This is only ink and paper. But the Quran that God sent down is preserved exactly the way it was written, and without adding or losing a single letter. So this promise of God: “innaa nahnu nazalnaz zikra wa innaa lahoo lahaa fizoon”, is kept.
• However, I must point out something to you. When there is a law, like the law of preservation of the Quran, this law does not exist unless it is violated. Do you understand what this means?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes, I am following you.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Okay. For example, if there is a law that Abdel Rahman Salem cannot leave this room. If you stay in this room forever, nobody will ever know that this law exists. Is this true?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• As far as I understand.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Okay. Now – but if you violate this law, and try to leave the room, and then you are forced back in, then we know that the law exists.
• Therefore, the violation of the sacredness of the Quran proves that God preserved it, because we detected the mistakes, we know exactly where any letters were added or removed, and we have the perfect the Quran… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• You have it?

Rashad Khalifa:

• God fulfilled His promise.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes. Do you think you can… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• And the perfect Quran contained in here, it is included in here, but people added some of their errors in it. However, it does not make any difference because the perfect Quran is in existence.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• If I am an ordinary Muslim walking in the street, and I picked up this Quran, you know, ??as a?? witness of allah subhana wa ta’ala, how do I know this is right and this is wrong, and this is injected… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Okay. You are either a sincere Muslim, or you are an insincere Muslim, is this correct?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Mmhmm.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Now God knows that, right?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Now, when God knows that you are a sincere Muslim, He will see to it that you will be guided to the correct Quran, to the perfect Quran. If you are not a sincere Muslim you will be left to – you will have a fake Quran – a fake Muslim has a fake Quran, and a true Muslim has a true Quran. This is a rule of thumb. (This is an English saying; meaning “this is the standard”).

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay. You also said… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• A sincere believer has a perfect Quran. An insincere person does not have a perfect Quran.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay. You said also in your writing in your paper brochure you said: the old testimony, the new testimony, and also the final testimony; referring to the Quran – which I believe as far as I know, I hope you will correct me if I am mistaking – Muslims they do not like to use or to apply this word this; “old” and “new” and “final”, to the word of God. We know this word is being used by Jewish and Christians, but not by the Muslims. The Muslim he knows that the word of God, from Adam to Muhammad, it is the word of God. Never been old, never been used, never been – it is the word of God. When we say it is word of God; it is the word of God. But… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• You do not like the using of; “the old testament”, “the new testament”… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• No, I am just asking, wondering… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• I like to use it. But if you don’t like to use it then go ahead and don’t use it.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• So that is the only answer you have, right?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Right.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay. You said also “Mohammedans; the worst enemies of God”.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yes.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• “Beware of Mohammedans; the worst enemies of God, according to the Quran”.
• Do you think the Quran say that?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yes.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• That the Quran say: “the one who follows Muhammad will be my worst enemy?”.

Rashad Khalifa:

• The one who worships Muhammad.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Well the one who worships – you know the Muslim they never worship Muhammad… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• You indicated in the beginning of this interview that you worship Muhammad.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• How?

Rashad Khalifa:

• You said: “la elaha ella allah muḥammadun rasūlu allah”, you worship Muhammad in your life… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• (incoherent speech), I am admitting… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Wait, wait, wait. You put Muhammad’s name next to allah’s name, this is shirk, by definition this is shirk. (shirk means idol-worship)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• According to sura… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• You made a statement: “Muhammad is the messenger of God”, when he is dead, he is not alive. Only God is alive, this is why God says: “tawakkal ‘alal haiyil lazee laa yamootu”; “put your trust in the living one, who never dies” (25:58), because Muhammad is dead.
• And when you put his name… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• It means… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• When you put Muhammad’s name, a human creature of God, next to God, the name of God, this is worshiping without knowing. So you are worshiping Muhammad without knowing it, because you do not follow the Quran that came out of Muhammad’s mouth; because of your reverence for Muhammad, which is – another word for it: idol-worship.
• The Quran tells you: (2:285)
• “laa nufarriqu baina ahadim-mir-rusulihee”; we do not make any distinction among the prophets – or the messengers of God,
• “wa qaaloo sami’naa wa ata’naa”; we do not argue, we say hear and we obey, we do not make any distinction.
• Defy this and you will be making a distinction, and all this because you love Muhammad too much. Loving Muhammad too much is like the Christians loving Jesus too much and worshiping him. And therefore worshiping Muhammad, or practicing shirk – God says there is a law: (5:72)
• “innnahoo many-yushrik billaahi faqad harramal laahu ‘alaihil jannata”; that heaven is forbidden for those who make shirk. (shirk = idol-worship).
• And shirk by definition, when you say: “la elaha ella allah muḥammadun rasūlu allah”, this is shirk by definition, because – let me ??quote?? it to you in human terms:
• If you invite me to your house for dinner, you are going to invite me alone, right?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• You say: “Rashad, come to my house alone by yourself”, and this would “I am coming to your house alone”.
• However, you can also say: “I want to invite you to dinner to my house, but bring your servant with you”. Okay? Then I am not invited alone anymore, this is shirk, there is a sharika; more than one person coming to your house. Even though you are acknowledging that the other person is my servant; it still is shirk.
• So when you say: “la elaha ella allah muḥammadun rasūlu allah”, this is shirk by definition, and this is exactly why God teaches us in the Quran that the shahda is: “la elaha ella allah”.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay.

Rashad Khalifa:

• The shahada of “allah”, “al malaika”; the angels, and the “ulul ‘ilmi”; the people who know.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Correct me if I am wrong… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• So, Mohammedans is the correct expression to describe… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I am a Muslim, and I will say: “la elaha ella allah” – by saying “muḥammadun rasūlu allah”, means that I approve, and I admit, and bear witness that I will accept the message of allah subhana wa ta’ala came through Muhammad… (incoherent speech) (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• No. You are saying the opposite. When you say: “la elaha ella allah muḥammadun rasūlu allah”, you are saying: I reject Muhammad and his message. This is what it means.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• How? Explain it to me.

Rashad Khalifa:

• By breaking the commandments in the Quran.
• By breaking the commandment of making distinction among the prophets.
• By putting another name beside the name of God.
• And violating the basic principle in the Quran… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I am a putting a name beside my God because loving Muhammad is loving God. Because Muhammad he devoted most of his life to allah subhana wa ta’ala, to his message, in his path, I love him; by loving Muhammad… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Why do you disobey him then? if you love him why do you disobey him?
• He told you: “do not make distinction among the messengers”.
• He told you that the shahada is: “la elaha ella allah”.
• So why do you continue to disobey him then, if you love him, if you really love him. Why do you not obey him? Why do you not follow the Quran that came out of his mouth.
• You know we have to think about… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I am listening to you doctor… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• The issue: “innal laaha wa malaaa’i katahoo yusalloona ‘alan nabiyy”. (God and His angels help and support the prophet…(33:56))

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• “innal laaha wa malaaa’i katahoo yusalloona ‘alan nabiyy”… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• “sallimoo tasleemaa”… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• You do not believe in this?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Of course I believe in this.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• You believe in this?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yes.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• How do you believe in this?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Well, do you know what “yusalloona ‘alayhi” means?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• What does it means?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Do you know what “nabiyy” means, in the Quran?
• Also do you know that thirteen verses before this; God says he and His angels do the same thing for every believer?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• In the same sura.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• It says:
• “yaaa aiyuhal lazeena aamanu”; o you who believe, (33:41)
• “zkurul laaha zikran kaseera”; commemerate God continuesly.  (33:41)
• “wa sabbihoohu bukratanw wa aseela”; Glorify Him day and night. (33:42)
• “huwal lazee yusallee ‘alaikum wa malaaa’ikatuhoo liyukhrijakum minazzulumaati ilan-noor”. (He is the One who helps you, together with His angels, to lead you out of darkness into the light. (33:43))
• So, “innal laaha wa malaaa’i katahoo yusalloona ‘alan nabiyy”, is because the nabiyy (prophet) is one of the believers. Why? – “to take him out of the darkness into the light”, just like in the other verse. And it says “oh you who believe do the same thing, help him also, come out of the darkness into the light”.
• This is what it says… (interrupted

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• So it is… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Hold it.
• You have to understand what the verse means, because Satan messed up this verse for the Muslims and made them – instead of “zkurul laaha zikran kaseera,wa sabbihoohu bukratanw wa aseela”, al-shayytan al-laeem (Satan the deceiver), Satan decided we are going to make the people commemorate Muhammad day and night, and “yusabbihoohu” (praise) Muhammad day and night instead of God, so they keep saying:
• “allahumma yusalli ‘ala muhammad“. (May God shower His blessings upon Muhammad).
• “sallallahu alayhi wasallam“. (May peace and God’s blessings be upon him).

(Listen to the first verse and chorus of the song that I linked to, while reading the lyrics in the description of the video. The singer is literally saying that Muhammad is: “the Teacher of teachers”, and “Teacher of all Mankind”, THESE TITLES BELONG TO GOD, not to humans or angels. It is the same as when the Christians say that Jesus is: “the King of kings”. Therefore it is accurate to call these almost ~2 billion people; “Mohammedans”).

• “alayhi salat wasalam“. (Peace and blessings be upon him).
• Instead of saying “subhanaallah”, “la elaha ella allah”, and so on. So shayytan; Satan, succeeded in tricking and duping the Muslims into commemorating Muhammad instead of God, by messing up the meaning of this verse.
• Now the expression of “al nabiyy” in the Quran, you have to watch this, and I challenge the so called “uluma” (scholars) in this subject, because “al nabiyy” in the Quran: is always in the Quran during his lifetime; when he was alive, the word “nabiyy”.
• Like: “…laa tarfa’ooo aswaatakum fawqa sawtin nabiyi”; how can you carry out this commandment now? “Do not raise your voice over the voice of the prophet” (49:2), when he is dead? This means do not speak at all because his voice is still; if you do it now.
• So the word nabiyy – “yaaa ayyuhan nabiyyu izaa tallaqtummun nisaaa’a…”; how can the prophet divorce his wife when he is dead? (65:1)
• “yaaa ayyuhan nabiyyu lima tuharrimu maaa ahallal laahu lak”. (O you prophet, why do you prohibit what God has made lawful for you… (66:1))
• So, consistently in the Quran the word nabiyy is during his lifetime.
• So; “innal laaha wa malaaa’i katahoo yusalloona ‘alan nabiyy”, means Muhammad during his lifetime. “yaaa aiyuhal lazeena aamanoo salloo ‘alaihi”, during his life time, help him, support him, during his lifetime.
• Not after he is dead, and every time you hear his… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• allah subhana wa ta’ala He always precisely in the Quran when He mentions things we are carrying it as it is because we follow the Quran as you say, allah subhana wa ta’ala did not say; yaaa aiyuhal lazeena aamanoo in the time of the messenger means after the death of the messenger; do not salloo ‘alaa muhammad. (Abdel Rahman Salem is trying to argue that the Quran doesn’t say that these verses only apply when the prophet was alive, and nor does the Quran say that these verses cannot be be applied after the death of the prophet. He, like many Mohammedan scholars, ignore grammar and logic just to twist the meaning of these and many other verses).

Rashad Khalifa:

• But, you don’t know the meaning of “salloo ‘alaihi” means.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• It says pray to him.

Rashad Khalifa:

• No.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Or supporting him.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Right.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• That is all supporting him?

Rashad Khalifa:

• “salloo” comes from the word SULAH; contact, connection – stay close to him, help him, support him. It does not say: “SAY sallallahu alayhi wasallam”, because it contradicts itself, you know, it says in the beginning: “innal laaha wa malaaa’i katahoo yusalloona ‘alan nabiyy”, so do you agree that innal laaha wa malaaa’i katahoo yusalloona ‘alan nabiyy?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• This is the present time?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yes. Hold it.
• Do you agree that innal laaha wa malaaa’i katahoo yusalloona ‘alan nabiyy? (Do you agree that God and His angels support the prophet?)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes, I do.

Rashad Khalifa:

• So, allaaha wa malaaa’i katahoo, now, yusalloona ‘alan nabiyy. (So God and His angels are supporting the prophet)(Even at this moment after ~1400 years).

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• So why are you telling Him to salloo ‘alan nabiyy, if he is doing it? (So why are you telling God to support the prophet?)(Rashad Khalifa is asking Abdel Rahman Salem; why are you telling God to do something which God said He is already doing? (It is technically the same as saying “run” to someone who is already running)).

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Since allah and His angels praying on Muhammad, I am as a Muslim, should pray on Muhammad, and on every single Muslim who is believes in Islam.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yeah, but according to you – you are saying “allahumma yusalli ‘ala muhammad” right?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• But we already know – allah tells you that He is making salat on Muhammad… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I ask allah subhana wa ta’ala to accept my praying to Muhammad.

Rashad Khalifa:

• No. But he is already doing it. You are asking God to do what He is saying He is doing.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• For me.

Rashad Khalifa:

• But you can see that Satan messed up the meaning of this verse. But this really means is; during the prophet Muhammad’s time, because of the use of the word “al nabiyy”; o you who believe, support him and help him and stay in touch with him. This is what it means. But the Muslims messed it up and uses it to make the Muslims worship Muhammad instead of God – this is why I call them Mohammedans.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• So, we should not actually do that. We should actually mention Muhammad in – as I saw you in the prayer; jum’aah prayer here you never mention Muhammad for anything.

Rashad Khalifa:

• I will mention him if I need to. I mean… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• You never mention him. You said –  I mean it is not… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• What do you want to mention him for?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I do have to mention.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Why?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I am a Muslim, you already know… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• I am asking you, why do you want to mention Muhammad?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• As a messenger of God.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Well, the Quran says only the hypocrites say that. Only the hypocrites declare that Muhammad is “rasūlu allah”, because we know that Muhammad is “rasūlu allah”, we don’t need to say it.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Okay? It says: “izaa jaaa’akal munaafiqoona qaaloo nashhadu innaka la rasoolul laah; wallaahu ya’lamu innaka la rasooluhoo wallaahu yashhadu innal munaafiqeena lakaaziboon”. (When the hypocrites come to you they say, “We bear witness that you are the messenger of God.” God knows that you are His messenger, and God bears witness that the hypocrites are liars.(63:1)).
• So throughout the Quran only the hypocrites say: “ash-hadu alla muhammadun rasūlu allah”.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• So actually you are ignoring completely the the way Muhammad used to live, and to ignoring to reject for us as a Muslim to know how Muhammad he used to live the right way according to the Quran, so we have to follow it.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Are you ignoring the way Muhammad used to live?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• No, I would be glad to go for it.

Rashad Khalifa:

• So why are you wearing a tie? Did he wear a tie?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I am not going for outside as much as inside in praying… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Now wait a minute, you are talking about the way he lived.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• The way he used to live in… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Do you have your camel parking out there?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• In behaving muslim, seeing, you are going for outside, now for the service we are going for inside, the way he performed the Quran, how he used to pray.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Do you agree he believed in the Quran?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Do you agree that his source was the Quran?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes. How… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Even according to Hadith it says: “kaana khollooqoho quran”. (“خُلُقَ نَبِيِّ اللَّهِ كَانَ الْقُرْآنَ”: “The character/behavior of the prophet of God was the Quran”).

(فَقُلْتُ يَا أُمَّ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ أَنْبِئِينِي عَنْ خُلُقِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏.‏ قَالَتْ أَلَسْتَ تَقْرَأُ الْقُرْآنَ قُلْتُ بَلَى ‏.‏ قَالَتْ فَإِنَّ خُلُقَ نَبِيِّ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم كَانَ الْقُرْآنَ)(I asked the mother of believers (Aisha, the prophet’s wife): teach me about the character/behavior of the messenger of God. She replied: Don’t you read the Quran? I answered: Of course I do. She then said: The character/behavior of the prophet was the Quran (Sahih Muslim 745 c)). (I exclude two sentences of “sallallahu alayhi wasallam” for clarity’s sake).

• He represented the Quran, right?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Okay, and now we have the Quran.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay.

Rashad Khalifa:

• So, therefore if you want to follow Muhammad, you follow the Quran.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay. How do you know… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Wait a minute. Is this true?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes, it is true.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Alright, so this is what we are doing. We are following the Quran, which means we are following Muhammad.
• However, Muhammad’s job was to deliver the message, he did the job, he did a good job, and he is gone, and that is his role. He cannot guide you… (interurpted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• And that is it, no more? We don’t have to think of… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• It is what the Quran says: “maa ‘alar rasooli illal balaagh”, two negatives: maa ‘alar rasooli illal balaagh, maa and illa… (interrupted). (The sole duty of the messenger is to deliver the message… (5:99)).

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• As far as I know, in this sura, it means like; you Muhammad do not force people to believe in Islam, you are only responsible for delivering the message, not force it.

Rashad Khalifa:

• This is a general statement that is not violated anywhere in the Quran, it is repeated: “maa ‘alar rasooli illal balaagh”, “‘alar Rusuli illal balaaghul mubeen” (16:35).
• And it is repeated many times.
• So the sole function of the prophet or the messenger is to deliver the message.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• That is all?

Rashad Khalifa:

• “Innaka laa tahdee man ahbata”… (interrupted) (28:56)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• “…wa laakinna laaha yahdee mai yashaaa'”… (interrupted) (28:56)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Right, “you do not guide”.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• This is also supporting the same ayat (verses), (incoherent speech), so you don’t force it on people for believing, no, you just deliver the message, and you perform it, and you teach the people how to do it.

Rashad Khalifa:

• No, no, no.
• Now you are adding other things, because it says: “maa ‘alar rasooli illal balaagh”. (The sole duty of the messenger is to deliver the message).

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• This people who come to the mosque here, who they follow? they follow you, how to do, right?

Rashad Khalifa:

• No, they follow the Quran. They don’t follow me.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• You teach them, you hold this Quran and you teach them in the Quran, so they sit and listen and look at you, and they say that is right, that is right – who is right?

Rashad Khalifa:

• The Quran. (The Quran is right).

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Doctor Khalifa right in a way of interpreting the Quran here, so I am following doctor Khalifa and I am not actually… (interrupting)

Rashad Khalifa:

• No you are not. If you are following doctor Khalifa then you are not right.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• It is not right?

Rashad Khalifa:

• That is right.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay. Let us also… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Anybody here, and we all know this, we do not follow any person. And we emphasize; here we are worshiping of God alone, we follow the word of God alone, and if I ever say anything that is not in the Quran and it contradicts the Quran – I am the first one to appreciate alerting me to this, because then I am wrong.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• If I am following… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Nobody follows me.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• If I am following the Quran, why should I come to this mosque to listen to Khalifa?

Rashad Khalifa:

• You don’t need to.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• (Incoherent speech), here, I look in the, house, to be leaving, ?tulip?, to mister doctor Khalifa, right? (Please email me or comment if you know what Abdel Rahman Salem is saying here at ~51:02).

Rashad Khalifa:

• That is right.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• That is right?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Absolutely, you do not need anybody, you do not need Rashad Khalifa or anybody. If you have the Quran you do not need anybody, because you follow the Quran and nothing else.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• You said in your brochures also, Islam being practiced today.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Can I go back to your question; why we come here to the mosque?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• There is a commandment in the Quran that says: “wasbir nafsaka ma’al lazeena yad’oona rabbahum bilghadaati wal’ashiyyi yureedoona wajhahoo”, it says: “force yourself to be with those who worship God alone”. (18:28)
• Because it is a social function, this is why God instituted the Friday Prayer ever week; so all the believers who follow the Quran alone must get together, they must know each other, they must be united, as you know. Throughout the Quran these instructions are there. This is the only reason we are here.
• And there are replicas of this masjid all around the world, where they don’t have Rashad Khalifa there, because we have our leader is the Quran, our imam is the Quran, our guide is the Quran – the word of God, we are worshiping God alone. And we go out of our way to destroy persons, or idols of any kind; alive or dead. So this is the reason we get together here.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• You said in your brochures; Islam being practiced today is severely corrupted beyond recognition. Can you elaborate to me?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Absolutely. The Muslims of the world do not do anything according to prophet Muhammad’s teachings. You for example, did you make wudu today? (Ablution).

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes I do.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Okay, can you describe it to me?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• As usual.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Okay, go ahead, describe it.
• Number one; you open the faucet.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yeah.

Rashad Khalifa:

• You was your hands.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Okay.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I wash my face.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Okay.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Arms.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yeah.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• And feet.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yeah.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• That is as far as I know.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Okay, you did not do your head.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes I do… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• You didn’t… (incoherent speech)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• My ears.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Your ears.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• My mouth, that is Sunnah. (Sunnah refers to the hadiths (sayings) about Muhammad’s lifestyle).
• (Incoherent speech)… You said you did not follow Sunnah.
• According to… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• I am asking you what you did. About your actions today… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Well I know exactly what I did. I said: “nawaytu sunnahta al wudu”, then sunnah before ?fawht?.
• Sunnah is when washing my mouth, because I am going to stand next to someone, I don’t want him to smell my smell, so I was my mouth, wash my nose… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Okay, so you wash your hands first?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Okay, and then you wash your mouth?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Then your nose?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes, my nose, and my face.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Your face.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• And my arms.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Your arms.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• My hair.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Your hair.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• My ears.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Your ears.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• My feet.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Your feet.
• Eight steps.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Eight (8) steps, right?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Okay, now if we look in the Quran, this is what came out of Muhammad’s mouth, I am taking you as an example, because you are telling me the Muslims practice something that is severely corrupted.
• If you look in the Quran, what came out of Mohammad’s mouth is the following: “yaaa aiyuhal lazeena aamanoo izaa qumtum ilas salaati faghsiloo wujoohakum wa aidiyakum ilal maraafiqi wamsahoo biru’oosikum wa arjulakum ilal ka’bayn” – four steps.
• Now Satan will not accept that, he has to have his four steps also.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• (incoherent speech)… have to Islam if we add two or three? (Is it against Islam if we add two or three more steps?)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Of course.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• If I wash my hands… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yes.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

•  If I wash my hands and wash my ears, and if I wash thoroughly, if I clean my self, that is ?against? Islam?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Absolutely.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• If I pray to allah subhana wa ta’ala, it says pray to God… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Wait, hold it, hold it, let us stay with the wudu, we are going to go to other examples – I want to show you that Muslims do not do anything according to Muhammad’s teachings.
• Out of Muhammad’s mouth came the teaching that we should have four steps, you made eight steps. Four from God and four from Satan. So you have a… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• What is wrong with that?

Rashad Khalifa:

• This is what is wrong with it.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• What is wrong with it?

Rashad Khalifa:

• You have a shareek (partner), you have another god beside God, telling you – who told you to do additional four steps? another god!

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• It is more clean.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Well, why do you not take a bath?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I take a bath sometimes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Well, fine, but this has… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• When you take a bath there is no need for… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• We are talking about the worship, okay? This is talking about ablution as an act of worship.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• I brush my teeth in the morning when I get up, but this has nothing to do with worship, this is my hygienic practices.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Okay. But we are talking about the wudu as form of worship. Do the Muslims follow what came out of Mohammad’s mouth? the answer for you is no, you are not following… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes, the answer is yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• No, you are not.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I follow it, and some more.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Exactly, you add some more.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Some more to be more careful.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Right. Either you know better than God, or you have another god that is adding steps to you.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• (incoherent speech)… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• What is the source of the four other steps?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Excuse me doctor Khalifa, this is the messenger of allah subhana wa ta’ala when he say: “you people pray two raka”, and I come to the mosque and pray four raka, it does not mean I am not following God, I am praying to you allah two raka, and I added two more raka for extra for me to make it more… (interrupted) (rakas = units when performing the Contact Prayer (2, 4, 4, 3, 4)).

Rashad Khalifa:

• No. Then you have another god who told you to do two extra rakas. Because the number of rakas is mathematically coded according to God in the Quran; according to God’s system. And if you add anything else then you have another god who told you to do those two rakas.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• That is following… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Let me show you from the Quran. Okay?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• allah subhana wa ta’ala ordered the angels fall prostrate – make sujood before Adam, right? (sujood = prostration).

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• They fell prostrate before Adam. Who were they worshiping?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• (Mumbles)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Who? They made sujood before Adam, who were they worshiping?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Who were they worshiping?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Who?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Who?

Rashad Khalifa:

• God.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• God.

Rashad Khalifa:

• The source of the order, right?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• They were not worshiping Adam. Even though they were making sujood before Adam.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• They are worshiping the source of the order.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay.

Rashad Khalifa:

• So, if you make sujood to God because Muhammad told you to do sujood to God; you are not worshiping God; you are worshiping the source of the order; Muhammad.
• Do you understand me?
• You are breaking the mathematical code; the number of rakas. If God told you to do two rakas, you must do two rakas. If you add more, you then you… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• That is against Islam.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Exactly.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I should do exactly two rakas, no more, no less.

Rashad Khalifa:

• That is right.
• And in your wudu you must do the four steps, no more and no less.
• Okay, this is wudu.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Now, I will ask another question about salat (Contact Prayer).
• Did you pray the Noon yesterday?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Did you do it silently or loudly?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Silently.

Rashad Khalifa:

• This is against the Quran. You are not obeying the prophet Muhammad here.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Why?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Because if you look in sura seventeen; verse hundred and ten (17:110), it says: “laa tukhaafit bihaa”, “laa tajhar bi salaatika wa laa tukhaafit bihaa”.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• “wabtaghi baina zaalika sabeela”.

Rashad Khalifa:

• “zaalika sabeela”. Exactly.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Which one? the Noon one?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Hundred and ten (110).

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• The Noon Salat or all the Salat?

Rashad Khalifa:

• All the Salat, it did not say Noon or what. It says: “laa tajhar bi salaatika wa laa tukhaafit bihaa”; “do not say your Salat in a loud voice or secretly.”

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• According… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Therefore when you do it secretly you have a another god who told you to do it secretly.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• No. According to my knowledge… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Wait, why do you not follow the commandment?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Well let me comment on this.

Rashad Khalifa:

• No, (incoherent speech), that the Muslims are not following the Quran or Muhammad.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• You are damaging, excuse me for this expression and I hope you will correct me if I am wrong, you are damaging completely the “ta’aleem” (teachings) of Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasallam, even in his early days, like Muhammad he followed and he and his follower were silent in doing Salat, in Noon and in Asr; afternoon prayer.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yes.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Because they were weak at the time, they were weak at that time, and they were aware afraid of the kafferoon (disbelievers)… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Are you weak now? are you afraid that the kafferoon will attack you?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• No, that is why we follow his way.

Rashad Khalifa:

• So, but he left you the Quran… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• It is like when you follow Christmas way, as a remembering, it is not damaging, sometimes… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• So you are disobeying the Quran in other words.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• No, we… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Did you see the prophet pray silently?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• No, this is the Sunnah wa ??toras??

Rashad Khalifa:

• This is what you heard, right?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• So you follow hearsay, and you do not follow the Quran.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Right?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay. This… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• What do you mean okay?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I am not going to go through this because… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• You are saying that I am destroying all the “ta’aleem” (teachings) of Muhammad.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Mmmhmm.

Rashad Khalifa:

• And I am telling you I hope I am destroying what you think is “ta’aleem” Muhammad. Because it is not “ta’aleem” Muhammad. “ta’aleem” of Muhammad is in the Quran, and he told you: “don’t do the prayer silently”.
• Now, again, can you tell me what you say in your Salat sitting down? in the sitting position.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes. I noticed also in your Salat as soon as you sit you said: salamun alaikum rahmatullah, salamun – I mean you didn’t say anything at all, right?

Rashad Khalifa:

• What do you say?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• “atahiyyatu wa mubarakt wasalawatu watayyibatu lillahi, asalamu ‘alaika ayyuhannabiyyu warahmatullahi wabarakatuhu, asalamu’alaina wa’ala ibadillahi asalihin, ashhadu allailaha illallahu wa ashhadu anna muhammadan rasulallah.
• “asalamun alaikum rahmatullah”
• “asalamun alaikum rahmatullah”

Rashad Khalifa:

• You don’t say allahumma yusalli ‘ala muhammad wa… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Well, that is extra, you do not have to say it.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Okay.
• Now, this what you just said here nullifies the Salat, okay? It makes it zero.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Do you know the ??explanation?? of this one?

Rashad Khalifa:

• It violates the Quran and makes it aboslute null and void and useless and a waste of time – even worse, it makes you a mushreek. Beause the Quran says: “wa annaalmasajiida lillahi falaa tada’oo maaallahi ahada” (72:18), the mosque, or masjid or places of sujood belong to God, you shall not mention anybody else – “ahada”, anybody else with God.
• So when you sit down and you mention the name of Muhammad or, “al nabi” in the Quran, you are finished, you are dead duck, the Salat does not mean a thing. You are disobeying God and disobeying the prophet.
• So as you see, the Muslims are practicing a religion that has nothing to with Muhammad. And they misunderstand that. As you see; the wudu is wrong, the azaan is wrong, the azaan that they do – can you tell me any azaan in any place in the Muslim world that is devoted to allah alone? anywhere in the world? (azaan = the call to Salat).

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Well, what the azaan say? Well why, it is always devoted to allah subhana wa ta’ala

Rashad Khalifa:

• It does not mention Muhammad at all?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• No. It is mention Muhammad is against the religion. By mentioning, once you mention Muhammad, it is like: “ash-hadu alla elaha ella allah wa ash-hadu alla muhammadun rasūlu allah”, it means I bear witness there is no god but one God, and Muhammad is the messenger of God, this means he is last messenger of God.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Well, the fact is the azaan is not devoted to God alone, there is Muhammad in it.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay, but he the messenger. He deliver the message to me.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yeah, but he delivered a message telling you to only mention God alone: “wa annaalmasajiida lillahi falaa tada’oo maaallahi ahada”, this is very clear Arabic, it is telling you that this worship belongs to God, do not mention any other names.
• And you are telling “forget it, I am going to mention Muhammad next to you”, you are defying God and you are defying Muhammad, you are going against the Quran.
• So let us just think you know. The Muslims are doing the azaan wrong, the wudu wrong, the salat wrong, the zakat wrong, the siyaam wrong, hajj wrong.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• How they do that, because I would like to go through also the points that you said.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Okay, you heard about the azaan, you heard about the wudu.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• You heard about the salat.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• And now we will come to zakat for example.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Okay. If you look in sura number six; verse one forty-one (6:141), it says that the zakat must be given on the day of harvest: “…wa aatoo haqqahoo yawma hasaadihee…”, okay?
• Now, we; you and I, harvest paychecks; or dollars – we don’t harvest wheat and corn and so on, right?
• So the day we receive any money, we must give the zakat on that day immediately, according to the Quran’s teachings as who receives the zakat and so on.
• Now the Muslims give the zakat once a year, which means what? the hungry people have to wait a year before they get assistance.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I know there is a distinguish between zakat and the sadaqah. (sadaqah is the regular charity).

Rashad Khalifa:

• Well we are talking about zakat.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• zakat.

Rashad Khalifa:

• We are talking about zakat: “…wa aatoo haqqahoo yawma hasaadihee…”, the zakat is “haqq”, must be… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• You interpret zakat – “haqq” means zakat?

Rashad Khalifa:

• No, wait a minute, it is very clear in the verse: “…wa aatoo haqqahoo yawma hasaadihee…”

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• “haqq” who?

Rashad Khalifa:

• The zakat from the harvest.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• It didn’t mention zakat now, (incoherent speech) you know we are – why… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• So what is it? what is “haqqahoo”?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• What’s “haqqahoo” means?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yeah, you tell me what “haqqahoo” means.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• “haaq”… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• If you read the verse.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• “haqq” means “sadaqah”, mean… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• No, sadaqah is not “haqq”, sadaqah is voluntarily. There is a difference between zakat and sadaqah, the zakat is obligatory. There is sadaqah and there is “haqq”.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• But the sadaqah is voluntarily – it is any charitable act that you do to any poor person. Okay?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• There is zakat for Ramadan, and there is also another zakat for your money.

Rashad Khalifa:

• There is just only one zakat, which came to us from Ibrahim: “ruba’al ushr”, two and half percent (2.5%) (This percentage has been passed down from generation to generation, just like the Contact Prayer).
• It came very simple, “ruba’al ushr”, and it is given as soon as you receive any income, whenever any income. But the Muslims do it wrong, they do it once a year on their savings, that is not the way it should be.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• How also you explain the fasting.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Well, the fasting, they do not – they never on the beginning or the end of Ramadan, as you know.
• They quit any productive work during the month of Ramadan.
• They become obnoxious creatures, and they get angry easily, and they are very bad people and they blame it on the fasting.
• This is not the way to do siyyam (fasting).
• And the hajj is ruined by going to Medina and worshiping at the tomb of the prophet. (hajj is the pilgrimage to Mecca)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• No, this has nothing to do with hajj. Everybody knows that when you go to visit the Mosque of the rasool alayhi salat wasalam… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• The hadith says that “hajj is not complete without visiting my tomb”, and I do not know when he said that; when he was dead or alive?

(I could not find the exact hadith, however, the funny thing that Rashad Khalifa is asking is how can a dead person tell you to visit his tomb? Also, Hajj pilgrimage existed before Muhammad was even born, and Muhammad used to perform it just like prophet Abraham used to perform it, so the next question is; how can the prophet complete his own hajj if he is alive and there is no tomb to visit himself? And how could anyone who was doing hajj at that time do Hajj while the prophet was still alive and there was no tomb? It is astonishing that many so called highly educated Muslim scholars don’t see these contradictions).

• But this – whether it is part of the hajj or not, it destroys the hajj.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yeah, you said you translate the Quran, right?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yes.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• And you said: “my translation was authorized by God”.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yes.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• What do you mean by that? I would like you to elaborate this point.

Rashad Khalifa:

• When I started to translate I did not want to publish it because I thought, I said “I will not publish it unless it is authorized”, and I demanded certain signs that it is authorized – and I received the signs, and I published it, and called it authorized.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• How you did you receive it?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Well that is a long story that is beyond this interview, so let us leave it at that.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Well we would like to know it you know, people would like to know how – what kind of authorization… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Come to the conference and I will give you the details, I am going to give the details at the conference.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Can’t you even give me a hint about it? Like here you said: “when i was in Mecca”… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• I can give you a few hints.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes go ahead.

Rashad Khalifa:

• My English translation is the nineteenth translation. And if you are aware for the mathematical code, the number nineteen is the common denominator in the Quran, in the previous scriptures, in you and me, in the universe. And also… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• ??I am a Muslim and as a Muslim?? I have to concentrate on nothing but numbers in Quran, Quran is not numbers, Quran is spiritual… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• No, if you do that then you would be wrong.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Quran is spirit.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yeah.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• The most important thing… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• It is just like… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• The Quran, the word of it, the constitution I have to follow it, the living life of it. If you approve by numbers that it is the miracle of God, that is enough for me and I have to move to another ???point??

Rashad Khalifa:

• That is right, you bet.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay.

Rashad Khalifa:

• So how many times did we in this kuthbah (sermon) talk about the number nineteen? since we started? We are not concentrating on the number nineteen, you are.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay, you concentrating… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• We have been talking about salat, and zakat, and hajj, and the Quran, and the teachings in the Hadith, and so on – we did not talk about the number nineteen.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Well, let us talk about number nineteen now.

Rashad Khalifa:

• The signs were abundant that this Quran is authorized (the translation), I give here in the Muslim Perspective the details about my name, and the verses and suras where my name is mentioned and so on, so you have to look it up and come to your own conclusions. This is why the translation is authorized.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• And this is why you claim you are a messenger of God.

Rashad Khalifa:

• That is right.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• You believe you are a messenger of God, right?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Right.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• How do you believe that? Why do you believe this?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Well like I said; I gave you several proofs.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Give me.

Rashad Khalifa:

• And there are many other proofs.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• One of the proof is the number nineteen?

Rashad Khalifa:

• The discovering of the mathematical code is one.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I mean like… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• This is the something that is very simple, it is has been in the Quran for fourteen hundred (1400) years, right?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• But no one discovered it but you.

Rashad Khalifa:

• No one discovered it but me.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• And that is why you are a messenger of God?

Rashad Khalifa:

• That is right.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• It means like the one who invented the airplanes, the things I cannot even reach my mind, I cannot even – I can also put him as a messenger of God because this is something… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Okay, there are two points here, the first point is that we are talking about the Quran; which is a special, divinely controlled book. As you heard in the khutba (sermon), no one can touch a word in it unless they are sincere believers, that is what God says, do you believe that?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes I do.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Do you believe God when He says that no body will touch anything in the Quran unless he is a sincere believer?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• How do you say it in Arabic?

Rashad Khalifa:

• It says: “laa yamassuhooo illal mutahharoon” (“None can grasp it except the sincere.” (56:79)).

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• “laa yamassuhooo illal mutahharoon”, the one who – has nothing to do with… (interrupted

Rashad Khalifa:

• Okay. It says: “wa man azlamu mimman zukkira bi ayaati rabbihee fa-a’rada ‘anhaa wa nasiya maa qaddamat yadaah; innaa ja’alnaa ‘alaa quloobihim akinnatan any yafqahoohu wa feee aazaanihim waqraa…”. (“Who are more evil than those who are reminded of their Lord’s proofs, then disregard them, without realizing what they are doing. Consequently, we place shields on their hearts to prevent them from understanding it (the Quran)…” (18:57))

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• So the person who is not a believer in the Quran will have seals on their heart “akinnatan ‘alaa quloob”. “wa feee aazaanihim waqraa”, and deafness in their ears… (interrupted).

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• This has nothing to do with your point… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Hold it.
• “wa izaa qaraatal Quraana ja’alnaa bainaka wa bainal lazeena laa yu’minoona bil aakhirati hijaabam mastooraa (17:45). wa ja’alnaa ‘alaa quloo bihim akinnatan any yafqahoohu wa feee aazaanihim waqraa… (17:46)“. (When you read the Quran, we place between you and those who do not believe in the Hereafter an invisible barrier. We place shields around their minds, to prevent them from understanding it, and deafness in their ears…).
• Do you agree that the disbelievers cannot understand the Quran, according to this?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• According to the Quran, yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Right. Therefore the people who are not sincere, the people who are liars, the people who are disbelievers – they cannot understand the Quran because God puts seals on their hearts, their minds, and deafness in their ears. Do you agree?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Okay, God says that.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Therefore if I am given access to the most important secret in the Quran, can I be a disbeliever who tricked God and discovered the Miracle of the Quran, is this possible?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I think so. (incoherent speech)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Do you think anybody can trick God?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• No.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Okay. So any disbeliever cannot trick God and sneak behind His back and find something in the Quran.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I think when you claim you are a messenger of God, you are not tricking God. This is… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• No, I am talking about discovering the Miracle of the Quran as a sign of messengership.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Well, there are a lot of ways to discover, hundreds – hundreds of scholars they discovered that the Quran is miracle by its word., by its verses.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Inspired yes, then those are good people.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• (incoherent speech)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Are they good people?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• They taught us how miracle – how miracle the Quran, by its words, not by its numbers. It is fascinating when you understand the Quran by its words, by the Quran itself.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Are you familiar with the mathematical code?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• No sir, I am not.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Okay, so you have to look at it and understand it first to appreciate that. Anyway it is.. (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Do you think you can give a brief idea for the audience?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Absolutely, okay.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Thank you.

Rashad Khalifa:

• It is a psychical fact that “bism allah arrahman arraheem” – which is the first verse of the Quran – consists of nineteen (19) letters.
• It is a physical fact that the suras of the Quran are hundred and fourteen (114), nineteen times four (six). (19×6)
• It is a physical fact that the first words revealed were nineteen (19) words:
• “iqra bismi rabbika allazee khalaq”. (Read, in the name of your Lord, who created). (96:1)
• “khalaqa alinsaana min ‘alaq”. (He created man from an embryo). (96:2)
• “iqra warabbuka alakram”. (Read, and your Lord, Most Exalted). (96:3)
• “allazee ‘allama bilqalam”. (Teaches by means of the pen). (96:4)
• “‘allama alinsaana malam y’alam”. (He teaches man what he never knew). (96:5)
• These are nineteen (19) words.
• It is a physical fact that this first sura, sura “al-alaq”, consists of nineteen (19) verses.
• It is a physical fact that this sura; “al-alaq” is on top of the last nineteen (19) suras in the Quran.
• It is a physical fact that “bism allah arrahman arraheem” – well let me go to deeper facts.
• The number of verses in the Quran is six thousand three hundred forty-six (6346), which is a multiple of nineteen. (19×334)
• If you count the word “allah” in the Quran, you will find that it is two thousand six hundred ninety-eight (2698), nineteen times hundred and forty-two. (19×142)
• The word “quran” in the Quran is mentioned fifty-seven (57) times; nineteen times three. (19×3)
• In thirty-eight suras (chapters) nineteen times two. (19×2) (The Quran is mentioned in 38 different chapters, and 38 is 19×2. I could not find any reference for this.)
• When you take the verses where the word “quran” is mentioned, you will find that the total is two thousand six hundred sixty (2660); nineteen times hundred and forty. (19×140)
• “allah wahdahu” in the Quran, when you look at here in the index – I will let you look it up yourself – (Rashad scrolls through a big book) – look here mister Abdel Salem. “wahdahu”, when it says about “allah wahdahu”, sura seven; verse seventy (7:70).
• This is the “quran wahdahu”, so we do not count it. (The next count is 17:42, which is talking about remidning people using the Quran alone)
• But here is “allah wahdahu”, thirty-nine forty-five (39:45)… (interruped)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I think – okay, I should look like this, (Abdel Rahman Salem picks up the Quran and turns it towards the camera) – and you can concentrate (incoherent speech)… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• No, (incoherent speech), from the library.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• You can do it, you can show me.

Rashad Khalifa:

• No, this is – to look on this way (Rashad closes the book).
• But you get this “Al-Mu’jam Al-Mufahras”, okay? from any Islamic library or Islamic center.
• And look at page seven forty-five (745), and you look at suras and verses where “allahu wahdahu” is mentioned, okay?
• sura seven; verse seventy. (7:70)
• sura thirty-nine verse forty-five. (39:45)
• sura forty; verses twelve and eighty-four. (40:12 & 40:84)
• sura sixty; verse four. (60:4)
• You add these numbers, they come to nineteen times nineteen. (19×19)
• The word “wahed”, when it refers to God is nineteen times.
• So this goes on and on, sura “qaf” has fifty-seven Q:s, nineteen times three. (19×3)
• sura “NOON” has hundred thirty-three (133) NOON:s, nineteen times seven. (19×7) (Chapter 68 is called The Pen (al-qalam), but it is also known as “sura noon”.
• The three (3) suras initialed with “SAAD”, has hundred fifty-two (152) SAAD:s, nineteen times eight. (19×8)
• And it goes on and on, I believe you saw it in the blue book.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• How do you… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• So this proves that every letter… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes. How do you count – calculate all of this from the Quran itself here. And at the same time you say this Quran has been injected with different (incoherent speech)… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yes. You mean the two verses?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yeah.

Rashad Khalifa:

• The two fake verses?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• There are only two verses injected into the Quran?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yes.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• The rest of the Quran is perfect?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yes. This is how the two verses were discovered, because they stand out like a sore thumb.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• What’s that mean?

Rashad Khalifa:

• They ruin the words – listen to this – all the forms of the word of God are distorted in these two verses.
• The word “allah”, there is one extra in these two verses. Listen to me – the word “allah”, the two thousand six hundred ninety-eight (2698) in the Quran, if you include these two verses it becomes two six nine nine (2699), which is not a multiple of nineteen. (2698 = 19×142. 2699 = 19×142,0526315789474)
• The word “elah” is also by one. And the word corrupt… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Let me, let me show it to the audience – okay – let me show it to the audience before you go through, what kinds of two verses doctor Khalifa is talking about, it is in the surah “tauwaba” in the last two (2) verses, says:
• “laqad jaaa’akum rasoolum min anfusikum ‘azeezun ‘alaihi maa ‘anittum hareesun ‘alaikum bilmu’mineena ra’oofur raheem”. (There has certainly come to you a Messenger from among yourselves. Grievous to him is what you suffer; [he is] concerned over you and to the believers is kind and merciful.) (9:128)
• “fa in tawallaw faqul hasbiyal laahu laaa ilaaha illaa Huwa ‘alaihi tawakkkaltu wa huwa rabbul ‘arshil ‘azeem”. (But if they turn away, [O Muhammad], say, “Sufficient for me is Allah ; there is no deity except Him. On Him I have relied, and He is the Lord of the Great Throne.”) (9:129)
• Doctor Khalifa, he according to his words says: “this is not Quran, this is been injected into the Quran”.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yes.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Would you please explain?

Rashad Khalifa:

• No, you are going away from the subject now.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay.

Rashad Khalifa:

• From the Mathematical Code.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• The Mathematical Code proves that every letter in the Quran, except these two verses that were humanly injected.
• Show me this book again, the two verses, let me see it.
• Okay. These two verses are at the end of sura number nine (Chapter 9).
• I want you to read the title of the sura to the audience, okay? (Rashad hands over the Quran over to Abdel Rahman Salem)
• (Speaks to the cameraman) And zoom the camera on him (on Abdel Rahman Salem).
• He (Abdel Rahman Salem) is going to read the title of the sura, everything that is written in here.
• sura nine (9).

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• sura number nine (9).
• surat al-tawba
• madaania, ella al-ayatani al-ahkiratayni makkeeyatan wa ayatooha one twenty nine (129), nazalat ba’adah al ma’ida.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Okay. This says that this is sura entitled “al-tawba”, it is an Medinan sura except the last two verses; they are Meccan.
• Now, if you go to Egypt and buy a coin that says on it: this was done in the year three fifty (350) BC, will the people laugh at you or not?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Why?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Because there was no date before Jesus Christ called three fifty (350) BC, there was no dating then. And everybody will realize that this a stupid tourist who bought this coin.
• Now we are not stupid to accept in a Medinan sura with two Meccan verses at the end of it.
• So even this Quran that you carry is telling you that these two verses are fake; a human injection.
• And the Mathematical Code exposes them, the word “allah”; the word “elah”, the word “rabb”, are all increased by one (1) because of these verses, for example.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• How did you discover it had been injected, how did you find?

Rashad Khalifa:

• By the mathematical Code. The Mathematical Code confirms that the Quran is perfect, and that these two sentences (verses) were added in it to exalt the prophet Muhammad and to worship him. As you know they (the verses) deal with the prophet… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• So by your mathematical – as you name it – the divine mathematical… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Forget the mathematics, you just read yourself now in the title of the sura, that the whole sura is Medinan except the last two verses; they are Meccan, how could that be?
• When the prophet moved from Mecca to Medina; everything revealed after that was from Medina.
• How did the two Meccan verses get injected in a Medinan sura?
• You do not find Meccan verses in Medinan suras. You find Medinan verses in Meccan suras, but not the other way around.
• So if we think a little bit, you yourself read it now. And this tells you these two verses at at least suspect.
• So the Mathematical Code prove beyond doubt, plus a lot of other evidence.
• Even al-Bukhari says these two verses are not correct. If you read it carefully, and you read the story of collecting the Quran, okay? recording the Quran. It tells you that every single verse in this Quran was witnessed by more than one witness, except these two verses; the last two verses of sura nine (chapter 9). They were witnessed only by one person; Khuzaima Ibn Thabit Al-Ansari – Ansari means he is Medinan, and the two verses are Meccan. I mean it does not take too much intelligence to… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• A lot of people they moved from Medina to Mecca after… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• No, not the Al-Ansar, this is Khuzaima Ibn Thabit Al-Ansari, so these are the only two verses in the Quran that were witnessed by only one witness according to the stories, I mean forget anything else.
• So even assuming these stories are correct.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• So you want to say in other words that these two verses are not Quran actually.

Rashad Khalifa:

• That is right.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Or probably they are Quran, and they should be in a different place.

Rashad Khalifa:

• No, they are not Quran.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• You are saying they are not Quran period?

Rashad Khalifa:

• They are not Quran, period.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• They are not Quran?

Rashad Khalifa:

• That is right. They stand out by many overwhelming evidence – proofs – many proofs. You have to write a book about that.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• You have to write a book about that?

Rashad Khalifa:

• That is right.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Also, by inventing the divine mathematical codes, that is why you claim for – you assume you are a messenger of God because of this find, right? or is there any other evidence?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Well the fact that we want to establish here is that no one can touch the Quran unless he or she is a sincere believer, right? The Quran says… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• If you are a sincere believer ??does that make you?? a messenger of God? I am a sincere believer… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• A sincere believer will not lie and say “I am a messenger of God”.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• If you are a sincere believer ??does that make you?? a messenger of God?

Rashad Khalifa:

• If you are a sincere believer you will not lie about God, is this correct?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• No.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Wait a minute, a sincere believer will not lie about God, is this correct?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Right. So, a person who finds something in the Quran, especially if it is the secret miracle of the Quran; this person must be a sincere believer. And if this person is a sincere believer as established by the fact of the discovering the secret of the Quran. Then this person will not possibly lie about God and say that he is a messenger of God.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Why you precisely say; “I am a messenger of God, since I discovered this” – why did you not say; “oh people oh Muslims I am coming to correct something”, like: Hassan al Imam, like Ghazali, like Muhammad Abduh, they were very sincerely Islam, and they correct a lot of ways in Islam, but they never claim that they are messenger of God. they… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Were they sincere believers?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• They were sincere believers actually… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Therefore they will not lie about God, if they were not messengers of God then they would not lie about that.
• Did they claim to be messengers of God?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• They never claimed they were messengers of God.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Right, so they were not messengers of God.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• So why do you claim you are a messenger of God, is it because of… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Because I am.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Is it because of this mathematical codes only?

Rashad Khalifa:

• No. Because I am a messenger of God.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Well, give me a proof that you are a messenger actually… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• I just gave you.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Not this, because this is (incoherent speech)… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• My name is also mentioned in the Quran here. You open this index.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Your name as: “al rasheena al khulafat”, this has nothing to do with, you know… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• You are entitled to say what you want, but what is the root word of my name?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Your name is Rashad.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yes.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Rashad has nothing – my name is Abdel Rahman… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Hold it. I’m just gonna…
• Let us go step by step, okay?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• The root word of my name is: “rashada”, is this correct?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Okay.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• We are talking about the Arabic language, has nothing to do with the Quran?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Right.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay.

Rashad Khalifa:

• We are talking about the Arabic language.
• This is the index of the Quran again, page three hundred twenty (page 320)
• And the root of my word – is it here? do you see it here? (Rashad is asking Abdel Rahman Salem to look at the index)
• rashada

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Your name is Rashad, not “rashada”.

Rashad Khalifa:

• No, the root word of Rashad is “rashada”, right?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• And you see “rashada” here, right?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Okay, “rashada” is between this mark here and this mark, alright?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Mmhmm.

Rashad Khalifa:

• So I want you to count the number of mentionings of the root word “rashada” in the Quran. You count yourself, go ahead.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay, whatever, I count – you count it, I will not waste audience time.

Rashad Khalifa:

• No, go ahead, you go ahead.
• One, (1)
• Two, (2)
• Three, (3)
• Four, (4)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes, it count up to… (Abdel Rahman Salem counts along with Rashad Khalifa)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Five, (5)
• Six, (6)
• Seven, (7)
• Eight, (8)
• Nine, (9)
• Ten, (10)
• Eleven, (11)
• Twelve, (12)
• Thirteen, (13)
• Fourteen, (14)
• Fifteen, (15)
• Sixteen, (16)
• Seventeen, (17)
• Eighteen, (18)
• Nineteen. (19)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• The root word of my name is mentioned nineteen (19) times.
• The Mathematical Code of the Quran is based on the number nineteen, as you see.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yes.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Now, do you think this is coincidence?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• But this is not your name doctor Khalifa, excuse me; “rashada” is an Arabic word.

Rashad Khalifa:

• It is the root word… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• My name is Abdel Rahman (incoherent speech)… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• If (incoherent speech) Rashad is mentioned in multiple of nineteen, would you believe it?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• No, I will not.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Why?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Because simply it has nothing to do with the Quran.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Do you think this is coincidence, in other words?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• No not coincidence, but this has nothing to do with your name, “rashada”, Rashad, has nothing to do with your name.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Okay, we said that there is a Mathematical Code in the Quran.

Someone in the background:

• Wait!

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Did you stop it?

Someone in the background:

• Yeah.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• We were talking about number nineteen (19).

Rashad Khalifa:

• Right. The Mathematical Code in the Quran is based on number nineteen (19).
• The root word of my name is mentioned in the Quran nineteen (19) times, which is “rashada”.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Not your name, again also I am saying not your name; it is saying the word of “rashada”, or “al-rashad”, it does not mean Rashad Khalifa.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Hold it.
• And I am not talking about Rashad, I am talking about “rashada”. The root word for my name is mentioned in the Quran nineteen (19) times, which is in accordance with the Mathematical Code.
• But also my name “Rashad” and “Khalifa”, if you add the numbers of the suras and verses, you come up with muplies of ninteen.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• When allah subhana wa ta’ala mention Muhammad, he meant Muhammad.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yes.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• innahu ‘abullah. (Servant of God)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yes.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• But when he mention Rashad, He does not mean Rashad Khalifa… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Well, God… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• (incoherent speech) Rashad Khalifa.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Because the Quran was delivered fourteen hundred (1400) years before Rashad Khalifa.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• But He does not know… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Wait.
• God will not put in the Quran that: “I am sending Rashad Khalifa”, He will not say that. So He put it in mathematically coded terms that are not to be revealed until the Mathematical Code is revealed. Okay?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• And that is… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• This is probably why there is no other Rashad Khalifa that I know of. There was one Rashad Khalifa born in my family, my cousin, a boy, and they named him Rashad Khalifa, and the boy died when he was young. And I advised them not to do that… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• I mean if I go to any Arab country and I found Rashad Khalifa.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Who claims to be a messenger of God.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• No. Any Rashad Khalifa.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yeah?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Nobody lives in this world by name Rashad Khalifa but you?

Rashad Khalifa:

• I do not know anybody whose name is Rashad Khalifa but me.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• If we found someone by this name, what you think?

Rashad Khalifa:

• And he says he is a messenger of God?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• No, he will say: “I am Rashad Khalifa”.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Well, fine, he is Rashad Khalifa. But if he says he is a messenger of God then that is something else.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Does he say he is a messenger of God?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• You approve that you are a messenger of God, by the divine Mathematical Code… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• By discovering the Mathematical Code.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• And nineteen names of your name. What else? Can you… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• There are hundred of other things.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Really? Let us see, let us hear it.

Rashad Khalifa:

• No I cannot tell you those things.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Let us hear it because… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• I am giving you the physical evidence.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• In order to be a messenger of God, you have to be above ordinarily people.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yes.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Above, like you are doing something… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• No, I do not mean yes.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Like… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• No, wait a minute. No.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Like you are doing something no human being can do.

Rashad Khalifa:

• No, this is not true. The Quran teaches that “Moses went to one of our servants; a’bida bin’bidna”. And this one of our servants taught Moses a few things, and Moses was a very bad pupil.
• So I want to correct you for saying that messengers are above.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• The Quran says that allah subhana wa ta’ala taught Musa (Moses) some kind of advice in order to appear in front of his own people… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• The miracles of… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Yeah, in order to make the people believe… (interrupted)

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yeah, I… (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Hold it. This is not a human being we learn, he is not a magic, this is not a magic, this is something from God.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Anyway, I have given you enough poofs. And I want you to ask anybody to give me a proof that I am not a messenger of God.
• (incoherent speech)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• You have not confessed.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Let us move on.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• You have not confessed.

Rashad Khalifa:

• I do not want to convince you.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• We are trying – you have not convinced me so far you are a messenger. Can you give me something.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yeah.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• To astonish me or to make me say: “Oh, he is above mankind”.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yes.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• So I have to believe it.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Let me read the “something” for you in here.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay. So you are holding this book and you do not believe in it? (referring to the Quran)

Rashad Khalifa:

• What do you mean I do not believe in it?

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• You said this book is not correct.

Rashad Khalifa:

• No. The complete Quran is here, there is some addition.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Some addition?

Rashad Khalifa:

• Yeah.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Okay.

Rashad Khalifa:

• You cannot make statements like that.
• Look at this:
• “wa qaaloo lan nu’mina laka hattaa tafjura lanaa minal ardi yamboo’aa”; “They said, “We will not believe you unless you cause a spring to gush out of the earth.” (17:90)
• “aw takoona laka jannatum min nakheelinw wa ‘inabin fatufajjiral anhaara khilaalahaa tafjeeraa”; “Or you possess a garden of dates and grapes, with rivers flowing in it.” (17:91)
• “aw tusqitas samaaa’a kamaa za’amta ‘alainaa kisafan aw taatiya billaahi walma laaa’ikati qabeelaa”; “Or you drop the heaven over us, the sky over us, as you claimed. Or bring God and the angels before our eyes.” (17:92)
• “aw yakoona laka baitum min zukhrufin”; “or you posses a mansion, a fantastic mansion” (17:93)
• “aw tarqaa fis samaaa’i”; “or see you climb to the sky” (17:93)
• “wa lan nu’mina liruqiyyika”; “even if you do that we will not believe.” (17:93)
• So, I do not want anybody to be convinced, all I can do is deliver the message, and tell you what the proofs are. And then it is up to you to take it for leave it.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• In your book here: “Quran, Hadith & Islam” – also one of your book here you wrote about Quran, Hadith and Islam – you said here: “We do not believe in anything with intercession”.
• What does that mean? You do not believe in intercession?

Rashad Khalifa:

• We believe the Quran that says: “qul lillaahish shafaa’atu jamee’aa”; “to God belongs all intercession” (39:44). So nobody posses any intercession.. (interrupted)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• You do not believe that the messenger of God will make “shafaa’a” (intercession) to the Muslims?

Rashad Khalifa:

• The Quran says that the messenger of God will not have ny intercession, it says: “in tastaghfir lahum sab’eena marratan falany yaghfiral laahu lahum”, God tells Muhammad “if you ask forgiveness for them seventy times, God will not forgive them” (9:80). So there you have it.
• Ibrahim made intercession on behalf of his father, but his father is going to hell, it does not matter. Ibrahim is God’s friend.
• So, I am afraid we have to quit. If you have one last question – I will answer one last question.

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Well, I have a lot of questions actually, but if you want to quit; we want to be (incoherent speech)
• But I hope you will before you quit, you will comment or you will say something you would like to say to the Muslims.

Rashad Khalifa:

• Well, what I would like to say is that Islam today has nothing to do with prophet Muhammad. And it is the objective of all sincere believers to restore Islam to the religion preached by the prophet Muhammad.
• As I mentioned in this program, the Muslims around the world are not doing anything correctly, everything wrong:
• The Azaan
• The Ablution
• The Salat
• The Zakat
• The Hajj
• The Fasting
• Everything is done not according to the teachings of the prophet Muhammad that came to us in the Quran. And it is the objective to restore Islam to its original pristine purity as preached by prophet Muhammad, the final prophet.
• salamun alaiyum wa rahmatullah (May peace and God’s mercy be upon you all)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• Thank you doctor Rashad Khalifa, and I really appreciate your time, I hope we will meet again.

Rashad Khalifa:

• insha’allah (God willing)

Abdel Rahman Salem:

• To… (recording stops)

End of Video

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